Gender Discussion

[Corsair5]

Yeah, when was the last time you spoke to a person and said "Hey man."

"No. I'm not a man."

"Uh..okay. Hey, girl."

"I'm not a girl. I'm an it."

[Swift]

Seeing how off-topic the April Fools topic became and how interested you guys are in discussing this, I decided to give it its own topic. Feel free to continue the discussion here.

[Esquire]

What BS is this? Yuri is a girl! How do I know? Because I'm having relations with her/it and therefore her/it would have to be a girl as I am straight....


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At least I hope its a girl.

[Corsair5]

What if it's BOTH, Cain?

[Raito]

What BS is this? Yuri is a girl! How do I know? Because I'm having relations with her/it and therefore her/it would have to be a girl as I am straight....


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At least I hope its a girl.

That's blasphemy!!!! I strongly protest the presumed stereotype of my gender! We have never met and will never.  I do not have interests in younger males.  <_<

*throws up at the thought of having to date a younger male*

Edit: Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with there being 5 sexes. After all, they are all humans. And to all people who protest that this is an insult to their masculinity, remember this:

Embryology teaches that early embryos all start out as female.

Source of quotations: http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.html

And apparently, humans love to discriminate. Many who preach discrimination against homosexuals and the "other" genders apparently practise the stand of "love and peace". Fascinating, huh?

[Jigen]

And to these people we quote the scripture Matthew 7:1.


Right before we tell them to go f**k themselves.

[Esquire]

Yuri, it was a joke...

Women are discriminated because no matter how you look at it: religiously, evolutionarily, I-don't-care-ily.  In most religions worldwide, woman is seen as inferior to man.  Evolutionary, they've too much time working against them, where they were treated as inferior, and thus have to catch up physically. If you don't care, I don't care to voice a response.  

I'm not discriminating here, I'm just saying it how it is.  I don't discrimate.... I hate everyone equally.  

The thing about gay people.  I think most people alive can't talk there and I definitly can't, because though I see homosexuality as not right and a sin, I see pre-marital sex as not right and a sin too. Considering I've done much of the latter, it would be hypocritical for me to judge people who do the former.  It would be like an executioner telling a murderer that he is a heartless killer or something.

[Corsair5]

Or a fruit telling a banana that it is gay.

But, I'm referring to genders as in the organs. The sexual organs. I could name both of them for you, but that'd be rated PG-13. I don't think anyone doesn't have one of those. Except by birth defect or something.

[Raito]

Yuri, it was a joke...

Women are discriminated because no matter how you look at it: religiously, evolutionarily, I-don't-care-ily.  In most religions worldwide, woman is seen as inferior to man.  Evolutionary, they've too much time working against them, where they were treated as inferior, and thus have to catch up physically. If you don't care, I don't care to voice a response. 

I'm not discriminating here, I'm just saying it how it is.  I don't discrimate.... I hate everyone equally. 

The thing about gay people.  I think most people alive can't talk there and I definitly can't, because though I see homosexuality as not right and a sin, I see pre-marital sex as not right and a sin too. Considering I've done much of the latter, it would be hypocritical for me to judge people who do the former.  It would be like an executioner telling a murderer that he is a heartless killer or something.

(I was joking, man!!! )
To Swift: please do not join up the posts. They are split for readability.

(I was joking, man!!! )

Errr... right. If you hate everyone equally, then aren't you hating yourself as well?

Yes, women have been and are still discriminated world-wide, in religions, politics, etc. However, fascinatingly, in quite a few societies like China, etc. the system was originally matriarchial before it evolved into a partrachial system.

And sadly, both genders really enjoy disciminating against one another. In the past, there was male chauvinism and now, we have both male and female chauvinism. What happened to understanding before rushing into stereotypes?   I guess it's a very big failure of the education system and the society.

And about premaritial sex, I don't see anything wrong with it. Sex has always been used not just for sexual but for emotional bonding, political purposes, etc. After all, it has always been the same for marriage. Centuries ago, marriages were often conducted not for the sake of love but to strengthen the political or economical positions of both families. Well, even the peasants or lower classes were not excluded from prejudism or stereotypes.

In many cultures, most marriages were not about true love but rather about who the parents saw fit to marry their daughter to. And in a martriarchial system, quite often, the males would be treated in a similar position. So, the idea of marriage representing a "holy and peaceful" union is something more like a modern or naiive concept.

Yes, marriages can be peaceful, loving, etc. but they can go wrong too. Too often, certain personality traits/mentalities do not show up until both live together. Thus, it only reinforces my thought that "nothing is ever black and white", that life is rarely simple. Make a wrong decision and it won't just be you who pays the price.

One could be negative about the rising divorce rates, but it signifies a trend in people not wanting to put up with psychological/verbal/physical abuse, severe personality clashes, etc.  no matter which side it comes from. Enough is enough, you know. For generations, oppression has been widespread through the "idealism" of marriage.

What is the point of marrying? Isn't it after finding a partner whom you can love and accept(whichever comes first)? Someone who shares your interests, understands you emotionally, psychologically or physically? However, there are those who marry without understanding one another, and end up having to sacrifice their emotions, beliefs, thoughts, etc. But I can only condemn their thinking and not them because ultimately, we're responsible for the thinking of our future generations.

I'd rather find a partner who's on similar(note:NOT equal 'cos no one can ever really be equal) terms with me, rather than rush into a marriage. And often, it takes time to cultivate a loving relationship between two people. It doesn't happen over months. It takes years and two hands to clap.

For me, I've engaged in pre-maritial sex before but that has got nothing to do with my stand on homosexuality. After all, from personal experience, stereotypes are applied without understanding the other party.

[Raito]

Yuri, it was a joke...

Women are discriminated because no matter how you look at it: religiously, evolutionarily, I-don't-care-ily.  In most religions worldwide, woman is seen as inferior to man.  Evolutionary, they've too much time working against them, where they were treated as inferior, and thus have to catch up physically. If you don't care, I don't care to voice a response. 

I'm not discriminating here, I'm just saying it how it is.  I don't discrimate.... I hate everyone equally. 

The thing about gay people.  I think most people alive can't talk there and I definitly can't, because though I see homosexuality as not right and a sin, I see pre-marital sex as not right and a sin too. Considering I've done much of the latter, it would be hypocritical for me to judge people who do the former.  It would be like an executioner telling a murderer that he is a heartless killer or something.

(2nd post: Please do not join up the post! Thx !!! )

It's always about "you're sinning, so you're wrong". Unfortunately, life isn't that easy. For example: in many third-world countries, even children(both genders) become prostitutes because there is no help for them. Their parents are jobless, the government is rampant with corruption; society discriminates against them. There is no education available for them. Upon becoming teenagers, they are discriminated again. Their families either throw them out or don't care, the government is eager to "get rid" of them and society detests them because they don't have any education.

For many criminals, they're left to defend themselves, while society mocks and condemns them. When they're prepared to change for the better, people seize the opportunity to mock and condemn them even more. They're painted as "black sheep" while some of the rich and famous get away for their "criminal" behaviour. Decades ago, children would be hanged for stealing bread while the rich got away with their crimes. It still happens today and nothing has changed.

It's the same even for countries like America, Singapore, etc. Just because we don't hear about it, doesn't mean it's not in existence. And why do you think these people can stuck in the "gutters" of society and continue remaining there? Because they can't get out. How many people would actually hire a former criminal even though he's really, extremely sincere in turning over a new leaf? Not many would want to.

Similarly for many homosexuals, they're discriminated against worldwide. In many societies,  reasons like "pre-maritial sex or homosexuality" are used to justify discrimination. This serves as a basis to slander, "criminalise" them, and even to commit murder. An example of discrimination: many would never hire someone who is homosexual. This is really depressing if the person "comes out". Most people would of course deny practising discrimination but even if they hired a homosexual, they'd make jokes, sabotage them, backstab them, etc.

And in the past? Heterosexuals of course faced the same fate for practising "pre-maritial sex". Stoning, slander, being raped or castrated, paraded, burnt to death, torture, etc. Centuries later, we're still exacting cruelties onto our fellow humans to fulfill the "moral standards" we created.

And you know what? All this points to a failing of the education system and also a failing of society. Thanks to education that doesn't teach people to think for themselves/the social-economical, etc. impacts of their decisions, we have produced a society of mindless sheeps. And sadly, I see this happening everywhere and across the world. With globalisation and the growing power of corporations, the ways of the society/life are changing rapidly and neither the education nor the people are really prepared for it.


P.S. Err... I'd say more but this is sooo long! AHHHH!  

[Corsair5]

In the end, however, the choice between heterosexuality and homosexuality is a choice. It isn't forced upon you.

Also, there are a few reasons why homosexuals aren't allowed in certain jobs, like the Military. Guess what? The vast majority of people in the military are, gasp and shock, heterosexual males. If you have homosexual males in that mix, well...let's not go deeper in there. Besides. Would you prefer the guy to be covering your back or watching your rear?

[Raito]

In the end, however, the choice between heterosexuality and homosexuality is a choice. It isn't forced upon you.

Also, there are a few reasons why homosexuals aren't allowed in certain jobs, like the Military. Guess what? The vast majority of people in the military are, gasp and shock, heterosexual males. If you have homosexual males in that mix, well...let's not go deeper in there. Besides. Would you prefer the guy to be covering your back or watching your rear?

Forced? In a way, they didn't choose to be homosexual. Mothers who are exposed to stress during pregnancy have a higher chance of producing males who're homosexual. Yes, the "print" in your brain during birth determines part of your behaviour when you develop. And for a lot of people, it can't be controlled.

Edit: Anyway, your ideas and mentalities smack of prejudism. Forget it. By my own choice, I'll go post somewhere else instead. *shrugs*

Source: http://viewzone.com/homosexual.html

Backed up by:

http://www.physci.ucla.edu/html/billgcv.htm (Reference: "prenatal influences on the sexually dimorphic nuclei in the spinal cord".)

[Guest_Esquire]

In the end, however, the choice between heterosexuality and homosexuality is a choice. It isn't forced upon you.

Also, there are a few reasons why homosexuals aren't allowed in certain jobs, like the Military. Guess what? The vast majority of people in the military are, gasp and shock, heterosexual males. If you have homosexual males in that mix, well...let's not go deeper in there. Besides. Would you prefer the guy to be covering your back or watching your rear?

Forced? In a way, they didn't choose to be homosexual. Mothers who are exposed to stress during pregnancy have a higher chance of producing males who're homosexual. Yes, the "print" in your brain during birth determines part of your behaviour when you develop. And for a lot of people, it can't be controlled.

Edit: Anyway, your ideas and mentalities smack of prejudism. Forget it. By my own choice, I'll go post somewhere else instead. *shrugs*

Source: http://viewzone.com/homosexual.html

Backed up by:

http://www.physci.ucla.edu/html/billgcv.htm (Reference: "prenatal influences on the sexually dimorphic nuclei in the spinal cord".)

Mothers who go through stress during pregancy are more likely to produce homosexual males???  My, it's a bloody wonder the world hasn't folded in on itself in its 6,000 - uncountable billions of years of existence(evolution or religion again).  What mother doesn't go through stress during her pregnancy?  The fact that she's pregnant alone(even if she really wanted it) must be a massive stressor. Go ask Deb Stone-(soon to be)Martin. She frequents AGDI frequently.  I was an accident child, and no I don't see myself as a suprise.  This must have caused a lot of stress for my parents, but I turned out straight(and no I'm not secretly in the closet).  

I mean, thats like many people who say that children who are discrimated against or grow up with hardship, grow up to be serial killers.  In some instances, such as Bundy,  Berkowitz, or The Trench Coat Mafia, that may be true, but if my memory serves me(which it does oft as not) The Unabomber and Dahmer were raised well.  I am prime example of this.  I am the unexpected child of two Soviets who really didn't need me when I came about, though they kept raising me.  My fraternal brother was born dead(maybe I garroted him with the umbilical).  I was too young to understand to try and fit in and was bullied in my younger years. Until adolescence, my siblings more or less hated me.  I've been beaten so bad sometimes, it could kill a person.  I'm a former drug addict.  Though I used to fight a lot, I never let myself go and hurt someone too bad.  Other than heat-of-the-moment rage, I've never wanted to kill someone.  I've never even attacked someone with the intent to kill.  I wouldn't voluntarily kill anyone, it would either be accidental or self-defense.  I can't even imagine voluntarily murdering someone.  

What my ultimate point is that though one classification may fit, all don't.  Murderers, as do homosexuals come from all walks of life and just because many may have a matching characteristic, or development pattern, not all who do will become the same.

[lazygamer]

I don't understand how a person ceases to be a male or female just because they have the wrong sex organs. There is more to gender than sex organs right? I'd be more inclined to look at asexual people as a screwed up version of a male or female, not a distinct gender.

[Brassfire]

I don't understand how a person ceases to be a male or female just because they have the wrong sex organs. There is more to gender than sex organs right? I'd be more inclined to look at asexual people as a screwed up version of a male or female, not a distinct gender.

Yes, gender is definitely more than sex organs. It is a complicated set of behaviors and expectationds forced on people by the societies they live in.

If a person is born without any sex organs at all, then they are asexual by default, because people cannot force them to be male or female in gender by expecting them to behave in a "male" or "female" way. So there is some physical basis for gender, however it becomes more than that because of society's expectations.

If someone wanted to discover who they were as a full person... it might be an interesting experiment to figure out how much of their self-identity is caused by societal perceptions.

It is also definitely not a choice to be homosexual, btw.